[identity profile] mimei.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] last_pleasure
Ok, I was writing an entry explaining my position on this and asking for opinions when I decided my position would stunt any actual discussion, and that working from the primary materials in a public post to [livejournal.com profile] last_pleasure would probably elicit more interesting responses, so:

These are direct quotes from public posts in fanfiction communities I follow, over the last 48 hours or so.

IMPORTANT: You have to join the comm in order to view anything rated NC-17.*

* bolding removed.

This story is posted as a locked entry to the [name excluded] comm. You need to be eighteen to join, so after clicking to join, stop by this* post and leave an age statement.

* hyperlink removed.

i. concerns a personal fiction community where posting access is held by one individual, ii. is controlled by two mods who will (correct me if i'm wrong) award posting access so long as you swear by your age, and who, in their userinfo/mission statement, cite discomfort at "unrestricted reading list[s]."

And now consider this a general call for your thoughts/feelings/personal opinions.

Edit interestingly, the age-declaration entry re: ii. is a public post with unscreened comments, asking the individual to state "Yes, I'm old enough to vote!"

Date: 2007-05-21 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ymela.livejournal.com
I've been reading NC-17 fic since I was about 14 and look at me!

Uhm, well, anyway. In terms of fiction I really think it's a matter of 'warning' more than anything. Bookshops do not stop you from buying truly unsuitable fiction. I could send my nine-year-old brother to buy me Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting and know he'd come home with it despite the cashier probably knowing it was vastly unsuitable. Should this even be allowed?

I don't know, I really I see no reason to stop people from reading whatever the hell they want. I think this has more to do with me and my reading habits than anything. I mean, admittedly, I bought Coin Locker Babies by Ryu Murakami without knowing what the first line was. That could have been bad. It wasn't. But it could have been.

I understand that on the internet it's good to cover your backs a little because anyone could stumble across something like an idiot and read it. It's like when you stick Harry Potter into a search engine you do end up finding a whole lot of NC-17 fiction and that's not so good for prepubescent Potter fans looking for games or whatever else.

I don't know though, I'm 17. I ain't old enough to vote. I am amused by the idea that I could just say "Yes, I'm old enough to vote!" and be in anyway though. And, hey, I could vote if I lived in the Seychelles.

(OK. I have exams tomorrow. I have to work.)

Date: 2007-05-21 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ymela.livejournal.com
Even if you look at manga which tends to be rated: I bought a load of 'M' rated manga (which is supposed to be 18+ or something) when I was in my early teens. Though I'm pretty sure those ratings are only advisory. And the oh, joys of knowing one can take erotica out of a library even when your card states your age etc. But, yeah, I'm pretty sure they have a 13 or so limit on things outside of the kids/teenage section in most libraries.

Coin Locker Babies is. And I don't know where my copy of Almost Transparent Blue is, I think I leant it to Shanah and she still has it. (You know, when I was reading that in year 11, someone started reading that book over my shoulder and it ended up passed around my whole English class.) And, yep, books can get away with just about anything, it's fairly ridiculous. But the internet is a very dangerous place.

Yeah, it's pretty concerning. But, yeah, it is a bit of a covering-your-back measure that's not really going to do much. And, on principle, I don't like it either. It's pretty pretencious, really.

(♥ *hugs the aura of luck* [You cruel creature! :D I want someone to do that too~] I WILL!!!<3)

Date: 2007-05-21 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazou-kiriyama.livejournal.com
I think censoring like that is quite ridiculous. I mean, it's not exactly hard to find NC-17 fiction on the Internet or to find porn or general stuff that may be unsuitable for minors. I mean, shit, I started looking at porn when I was about 12 (and we're not talking vanilla stuff here *cough*) and started reading NC-17 fiction around the same age.

Cover your own ass on the Internet may be a smart thing to do, and there should always be warnings on fanfiction sites, and general adult fiction sites, what kind of content will be there. And talking about your age, if you're a minor, in fanfic communities for example may not be so wise either as some writers feel uncomfortable knowing that people under 18 read their NC-17 rated works. One might want to take into account that it's verrrry easy to lie about your age on the Internet though :x I mean, I've been having an account on AFF for like a year and I don't turn 18 until in November (plz don't tell on meh :x) so yeah.. that's my two cents anyway.

Date: 2007-05-21 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazou-kiriyama.livejournal.com
Haha, I lied so much in chats with older people about my age when I was around 12-13 years old. *coughcybersexcough* I was a perverted kid, I guess. *laughs*

Sweden (where I live) have a different rating system as well. We have 'Suitable for anyone', 'From 7 years old', 'From 11 years old' and 'From 15 years old'. I think we used to have a 'From 18 years old' rating as well, but I've never seen it in use in cinemas and the like. I think that the NC-17 rating in the US restricts audiences under 18, but I'm not completely sure as I don't live there.

Date: 2007-05-21 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ymela.livejournal.com
*points then scuttles off* (http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp)

Date: 2007-05-21 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mayo-polyphony.livejournal.com
I think the fact that it hasn't come up by now indicates how much no one really cares here. XD I also think l_p was set up with smut in mind - including info like "kinks I will write" in the intro profiles - ?

I tend to have a knee-jerk restricting access=bad! reaction anyway, but as far as I'm concerned, people can continue to label their own stories and read by choice. *shrug*

Date: 2007-05-24 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mayo-polyphony.livejournal.com
Ah, I totally misinterpreted the intent of the post. Nevermind. >.
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Date: 2007-05-21 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narcomanic.livejournal.com
I think that, more than the actual age, the NC-17/K18/Mature etc. warnings are more like... well, warnings that people shouldn't read them if they're not comfortable with hot smex adult subjects. If you're 14 and feel it's fine, then hey, who's there to stop you?

Also, if the story says NC-17, it's better to leave it to be read at home rather than at school/work for... obvious reasons. *reads yaoi on public library computers, feeling paranoid*

Date: 2007-05-24 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narcomanic.livejournal.com
Pffft. That's just stupid. General age ratings and individual people rarely match. Some people are immature as hell even after 20, whereas some people grow up mentally five years precursor to others.

<.< I think the same goes for NC-17 RPs... Try to write a reply to a smex rp thread and not glance over your shoulder all the time (even though your sensible self tells nobody is interested in what you do... that is, until you start looking suspicious in the aforementioned way).

Date: 2007-05-21 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chokingday.livejournal.com
i have little time for that position. at least when posting an f-locked journal link to a public comm.
You can't prove a person is the age they say they are + most mods don't check the profile of people who want to join anyway.
There's an arse load of kink out there so not much need to feel all self-righteous about your own smut!fic.
If you do feel uncomfortable posting smut publicly (which is understandable enough) it's just pretentious and priggish to link it on a large comm. You're writing is not that amazing and special, sweety.
I spent quite a while mulling on this one when i still had a fic-journal on Lj. The only reason i could come up with (the only reason that held up to the most minor scrutiny) was ADD MEH PLZ KTHX. Really, if you're going to be like that then leave off acting like it's for srs reasons and you can't stand the thought of little 'uns reading the pr0nz.

sorry, i get bitchy about that one.
also i think this is the first time i've commented you xD hi~

Date: 2007-05-22 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yokozuki.livejournal.com
I think it's retarded if it isn't solely motivated by livejournal's tendency to shut down comms that go against their policies. It makes sense for [livejournal.com profile] harenchibox, it doesn't make sense for fic comms - and I know that in itself doesn't make sense, but as you guys say with the print vs. picture... I read Exit to Eden when I was, I dunno, 15? and I bought it at a thrift store run by a church group, for fuck's sake. It's ten times as explicit/corrupting/whatever argument as any porn movie I've managed to see yet and you know those would never ever be allowed in the town let alone that thrift shop... okay yeah, there was probably pr0n somewhere in Soldotna (it's where my Gramma and Grampa live so I've never had occasion to find out, staying with them every time I'm there as I do), but you know. I'd have to have three kinds of ID and a couple people there to swear up and down that I really was old enough and, beyond that, that I really was allowed to see it, since, ya know, I'm a giiiiirl. -_-;; Or else there's the other scenario that's the sleaze guy working there hitting on you nonstop and nastily just because you're a chick buying porn/whatever... anyway... can I just leave this with a nice rousing humanity I hate you. ??

Still, there's a lot of places that burn/ban books even now... maybe the people who restrict like that are from that sort of environment and are afraid?


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